Interview with The Subs for Hennessy Artistry
Patrick Benjamin chats with Papillon, the frontman of electro-rave-punk trio The Subs, before they play their debut gig here as part of the Hennessy Artistry revelry.
Which three records have had the greatest influence on you?
Lovesexy by Prince because it was the first record I bought with my own money. I was really young then. I didn't always understand the music, but I played it so often that it grew on me. Tabula Rasa by Arvo Part, because it got me through the most dark and difficult period of my life. Homework by Daft Punk—one of the main reasons why I make music.
What first sparked your desire to make music?
It was when I discovered I could take nearly any instrument (well, not the violin of course) and get something out of it that could be called music.
Describe the feeling of being onstage.
Being onstage can feel awkward at first but I got used to it. Now I absolutely love the stage. Not because it puts me on a stand, but because it's a place where I can share my love for music with others, where I feel free from daily shit. It's also a very sexy feeling and it’s like making love to the audience. Music is very physical and a good concert can make me very horny.
What advice do you have for folks who want to start their own band?
Always listen to your intuition, never listen to the market.
Biggest non-musical influence?
Andy Warhol's philosophy has helped me a lot. Things like, "if you can't get it exactly right, exactly wrong is better," and "don't pay any attention to what they write about you. Just measure it in inches."
Up for trashy sexy sounds? Head down to The Subs' gig at the Hennessy Artistry.
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How did you get into DJ-ing?
Years ago. I used to make mixtapes in the 80s, ran my first club night when I was 18, and never looked back.
Which three records have been most influential to you?
Three—wow—tough question. M/A/R/R/S Pump Up The Volume got me into acid house, but my first LP was Adam & The Ants Prince Charming! Not sure what that says, and more recent than all of that Daft Punk made me reassess the point of dance music with their filler-house/disco punk movement. They turned the speakers inside out.
Which single/remix do you know will always make people go mental on the dancefloor?
This constantly changes, as my set constantly evolves. There is no record that I played in 1990 that I am still playing now. I love playing new unreleased stuff that I have collected for my label, Surfer Rosa, because when they demolish the dancefloor, I look forward to their release.
What’s the most requested song you refuse to spin?
I don’t do requests. I actually left a party where I had been booked to play for Paris Hilton, because she kept asking for me to play Madonna.
Have you ever played something and had it completely bomb?
Sure, but you learn from your mistakes, and mix out of the track fast—then bin it.
What’s your primary source for finding new music?
Travelling and touring the world, running a label and I guess Beatport.
Any new artists who deserve a flag up?
I am managing a new band called Dirtyloud right now—they are young guys from Brazil. They do an awesome job of blending electro, dubstep and drum ‘n’ bass—with added bonus of massive production values. They rock.
If you could collaborate with anyone living or dead, who would it be?
I had a dream where Keith Richards said he was really getting into electronic stuff these days and could I show him round my studio.
Catch Tim Healey’s deck wizardry at Hennessy Artistry on Jul 22.
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The most painful and difficult decision I’ve ever made was to leave Canelé and set up my own company. But sometimes, you just have to take that leap of faith and do something you’ve always wanted to do while you still can. It’s important to step out of your comfort zone and push yourself to that next level. And if you never try, you’ll never know. I’d rather try and fail then regret not trying at all.
My mind actually works best at night, especially just before I go to bed, which is quite a bitch because I don’t remember any of the ideas I had by the time I get up in the morning.
I’m not a morning person at all. If I could sleep in till 3pm every day, that would be ideal. I’d just bake bread through the night and sleep in all day.
I wish I had all the knowledge I have now, but 10 years ago.
After working 14-16 hour days, the last thing I want to do is listen to a cab driver go on and on about stuff. That really bugs me. I just want to jump in a cab, switch off and be taken home.
I got my ear pierced when I was 16. It’s one of those things you do when you’re young and stupid. I now have six.
If I could do anything in the world, it would be to take a road trip with my family around the French countryside in my dream automobile, a hippy-inspired flower power print vintage Volkswagen Camper.
I wish I could spend more time with my two daughters; I’m their playmate. They both have macarons inspired by and named after them.
The most elaborate cake I’ve ever made is, without a doubt, my wedding cake. It had five tiers, was 1.5 meters tall and the base tier alone weighed 120 kilos. It took me and my team a whole week to assemble. And yeah, my wife really liked it.
When I did sugar work in Spain for the first time, I burnt all my fingers because I didn’t know what I was doing or what to expect. I had to burst all 10 blisters at night, tough it out and still go to work the next day.
Molecular gastronomy is a great innovation in the culinary world and a real experience. But at the end of the day, I think people still want to eat something that they can relate to and are comfortable with.
I was very rebellious when I was young. I remember staying out all night one night and when I finally went home, my mom had locked me out of the house. So I did what I had to—I slept on a bench until the police came along and woke me up. Boy, did I have some explaining to do.
I really, really love spicy food. I’m quite inclined to eat it until my entire mouth goes numb.
When it comes to restaurants, opening is the easy part. It’s maintaining a certain level of quality, both in terms of food and service, that’s tricky. Consistency is the true test, especially in this climate.
My life philosophy is simple: Learn to be content with what you have.
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How would you describe the music created by Warpaint?
Loose as a goose wandering through the woods, laughing at the trees, moving slowly, being patient and being kind... Emotional as ever, enjoying every moment, realizing that life is cool!
What is the musical process like?
We like to have a good laugh as it revs us up for a great session. It’s also a 100 percent collaborative process. We all have something to say sonically, and it’s very important to all of us, that we are all heard.
As a busy touring band, which artists do you listen to while shuttling around?
Yeasayer, Bob Marley, Beck, Best Coast, Beach House, Out Hud, Blonde Redhead, Brian Eno, Wild Nothing, Erasure, UNKLE, Talking Heads, Spoon, The Smiths, Tortoise, Deerhunter and The Cure are just some of the musicians on constant rotation in my iPod.
How difficult is to come up with unique sound when most things sonically have been played ad nauseam?
We don’t really think about that. All we do is just play what we want to hear and we are happy as long as it sounds good.
If you could revive a particular sound or instrument, what would it be and why?
The scream because it’s so beautifully painful.
Any idea when the third album will be out? How would it sound like?
We are shooting for early summer of 2012. And I’m just as curious as you are about how it will sound. I love surprises.
Two gigs in a year, what keeps you coming back to our tiny island?
It’s simply magical and you get to enjoy us in the warmth of a cozy joint.
Be transported into another realm at Warpaint's upcoming gig.
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Capturing images is… a form of meditation.
Art is… like wine. You swirl and observe it more if it is more expensive.
Home is… where the heart is. Right now, it is in Beijing, where she is sleeping upstairs.
Love is… the things that flutter the heart. It is witnessing the incredible landscapes of industrial, or to see life as you have it in front of you.
When there is light… I don't sleep.
Shadows are… what makes half of a picture. Or more.
There’s a fine line between… class and crass.
Sunsets are… a cliche for photographers. Too many sunset pictures on the internet and in the world right now. I would rather see one and memorize it in my heart.
A little known fact about me… I go camera-less on holidays and off days. It is important to refresh the eyes and not constantly peer through a little box.
Learn more about Chow and his work at his exhibition, Imperial Awakening.
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There is a lot of room for interpretation in Snails and Ketchup. How much do you, as a performer, choose to trust your audience?
I’ve got to trust that the audience will engage with the work. I do think that with my performances, you can’t just sit back and be entertained—if you do, you might miss a detail or two. I don’t want to patronize any audience and spoon feed them. I want them to make their own interpretation of the visual language and range of visual elements used.
You’ve said before that you’d rather be seen as a good artist, rather than a deaf artist [Meyyappan is hearing-impaired.] Do you feel you’ve become appreciated as such? Where do you blur the lines between the two?
I want my work to be judged on merit. I’ve aimed to develop a universal aesthetic that can be judged and enjoyed equally with anything that is produced by a hearing performer.
What are some of the challenges of binding your narrative to aerial choreography? How did you overcome them?
Oh many! After much intense training and learning very simple aerial techniques, I could climb a rope! However, I had to learn how to move from one rope to another in order to suggest movement through a forest. This was a challenge and really did require a great deal more training. I also had to ensure that the characters were still clear, and not just show off techniques.
Since your first performance, your audience has grown and diversified. What do you think accounts for this diversification?
I think the diversification has developed because, in general, theater is adding and experimenting with a new range of styles. Theater makers are realizing that if they combine different elements or styles, they can appeal to a larger audience. To target such an audience, I’m constantly trying to extend and develop my own visual vocabulary to make my work resonate.
Catch Ramesh Meyyappan's work in Snails and Ketchup.
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Where does your name come from?
We were looking for a name. Pierre loved the UK band Franz Ferdinand. In an interview, they were asked, “Why are you making music?” They replied, “To make the girls dance.” That idea sounded great to us.
How did you two meet?
In a gay bar. Greg was half naked and he looked awesome. Pierre put a friendly hand on his butt and the story began. No I’m kidding; we met in a club in Paris and where we were both performing solo DJ sets.
What are your musical guilty pleasures?
We are both fond of sad folk music and sad old French songs. We are a little bit like old ladies sometimes.
How would you describe your sound?
It’s electronic music with rock energy. But electronic includes pop electro.
What are your favorite things in Bangkok (or Thailand)?
It’s our first time in Thailand! We look forward to discovering Bangkok. Visiting temples and museums. No I am kidding; we are only in town for 2 days so we’ll focus on partying.
What kind of girls do you want to make dance?
Long legs, high heels, fake boobs, dressed like hookers but very smart and funny.
Where do you see yourselves in the next 20 years?
Our secret goal is to play as headliner in Coachella Festival in California. Then we will stop doing music. Greg will raise dogs and Pierre will get fatter and fatter.
What’s next for Make the Girl Dance?
Our first album is due to be released in October. Objectively, it sounds spectacular.
Last word: Lap dance or liquor?
We had a lap dance in Las Vegas last year. Impressive.
The boys are dropping hot tunes on Friday, Jul 22 at Bangkok Remix.
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Who is in your party?
Joe: I am Pachara Chusin, the head of the party, which I actually don’t want to be but my friends picked their posts while I was away. I normally work as a freelance photographer.
Bomb: I am Titinan Chantangpol, party house maid. I don’t know why I got this post. My regular job is as an animator, and I’m going to launch a studio soon, called Kark Me Studio. I also play bass for Poomjit.
Nui: I am Panuwat Apiwattanachai, party secretary. I work at my brother’s company selling cable wire. And actually, there are two more members of the party: Patzh Eaimtrakul (Pat) who is party spokesperson. He’s now studying film in New Zealand. The other is Puttiyos Phalajivin (Put) who is the party’s right wingback. He is Poomjit’s vocalist.
Where did the idea of launching Pheu Ter Party come from?
Nui: When political parties started their campaigns, I posted a joke on my Facebook, saying “I would like to join Pheu Ter Party” and got a huge number of likes. So Pat suggested we launch a fanpage for our party. Our purpose is to make nonsense jokes about political situations by mentioning love. During the election it was Ka Ber Wa Ruk Tabb, which in Thai is a spoonerism that can mean Vote for I Love You.
How do you feel about the positive feedback?
Joe: I was so surprised by the first ten thousand likes. I monitored the page every day and put up many jokes. Now I’ve run out of jokes!
Nui: I think it’s because Thais naturally like jokes and our page is about making fun of annoying political rhetoric.
Are you really into the political issues?
Joe: I’m quite bored with politics. I still see old faces, people skipping assembly or falling asleep during the meetings.
Nui: I personally think no one is suitable for the PM job. It’s like there’s a war between aliens and predators, and we’re the humans. And no matter who wins the war, we will lose. Anyway, I’m just happy that Chuwit got into parliament to be the opposition.
If Pheu Ter really ran for elections, what would be your platform?
Nui: Making people listen to each other. Nobody is listening to each other, and with today’s problems, we just can’t afford not to.
Joe: When the tsunami happened in 2004, people were so caring. I don’t want there to have to be another disaster for us to unite.
Bomb: We’ve already been successful about making people love each other on our page. I am sure that our 30,000 fans don’t all share the same politics. There are reds and yellows and that’s beautiful.
Do you have any personal Pheu Ter in your lives?
Bomb: I already have a wife and two kids.
Nui: I am single.
Joe: Dating!
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Despite my features, my lineage is actually Chinese. My parents own a car parts business in Samut Prakarn. I lived in a big family where we ate only mild food. So now I can’t eat somtam.
I always had arguments with my dad because he had a bad temper when he was drunk. Sometimes he beat my mom, too.
I wasn’t a good kid. I didn’t like studying. I made up my mind that I didn’t want to work in an office because I wanted to get tattoos. I knew that wouldn’t go well with office life. I fell in love with the arts.
After grade nine, I stopped studying for a year. Then my mom took me to study at BCC (Bangkok Commercial College) for two years. I dropped out and went to a fine arts college, Chang Silp Ladkrabang.
In the end, I couldn’t finish art school even though I was able to clear the entrance exam twice. I felt it wasn’t what I expected. I started getting interested in graffiti. Nowadays, I feel guilty that I probably took someone else’s opportunity to go to this school.
All those years, I would leave the house but end up doing graffiti in my soi. The plan was for everyone on my soi to see my graffiti. My pseudonym is Stupid. I also made money doing airbrush jobs on motorcycles.
Later, I met my friend Del, a member of one of Thailand’s first graffiti groups, PMT. We became good friends and he introduced me to his friends, including Aui [fellow Buddha Bless member] who, back then, was in a hip-hop group called AYM.
Aui asked me to form a rap group with him, with another friend, Tong, because he thought I could write funny lyrics. I jumped at his offer even though Aui warned me that there were no guarantees.
Being a music composer made me go from hating reading to loving it. Now I love to read philosophy or dharma. I always wonder about aliens and where humans come from. I also have doubts about evolution by leaps and bounds.
I believe that there are extra terrestrials. There is plenty of evidence they exist on earth. I read a book called 12th Planet, which gathered archaeological evidence from many eras. There were civilizations before our history begins. Some even link it to Buddhism, like in The Matrix.
I think Lord Buddha is real and he’s a cool guy.
Life always has suffering. Being a singer like me, you still suffer. Being a millionaire, you still suffer.
Now I want to do meditation. I don’t do it to just follow a trend, but I want to know what it’s all about. I want to study dharma in my way. I never believed what the Lord Buddha said before, but now I want to know exactly what he said.
I quit drinking two years ago. Aui told me I was getting to be like my alcoholic father so I stopped. Now, I have also stopped smoking and partying too. Maybe I’m just bored of that now.
I saw a lot of bad behavior from friends like drinking and drugs, but I didn’t partake. I cared about my mother’s feeling. We’ve been through tough things together, like our wrecked family and my drunk dad. It taught us to be good.
Now I’ve started talking to my dad again. When I grew up and saw things more reasonably, I kind of understood him more and started feeling wistful for a father-son relationship.
I never feel that I am a superstar. I am just being myself, just like everyone else in Gan Core [record company].
I don’t have a lot of friends because I have only a few interesting things to say. I don’t like football or cars. I don’t like to drive and I can’t drive either. I love riding my motorbike or my bicycle.
I still have dreams about my graffiti. I want to bring my portfolio to the international level. I feel they value this kind of art much more than in Thailand. There are magazines, galleries and sponsors and their own space.
I would take care of stray dogs in Bangkok if I were the governor. Gandhi said if you want to see what people are like, you have to see the way they treat their pets. It’s fundamental for people to take care of this problem.
The best way to make a living is to find what you love and make it your profession. Then it will be something fun that gives you money.
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What inspired you to create the Hangovertini?
We got notice that they were going to shoot Hangover II here so we started thinking about a cocktail to promote the hotel. When the film crew arrived they would head up to the bar wanting something to refresh them after a long working day. We came with up something healthy which is why we use rosemary infused honey and green apple juice which has a lot of vitamin C. A kind of after hangover drink to purify your body.
Apart from the Hangovertini, do you have other cocktails that use Thai ingredients?
Customers often ask for a spicy drink as we’re in Thailand so, for example, we have gin with chili and Tabasco—that’s nice and spicy. For someone who isn’t so big on spices, we have vodka infused with chili and ginger which gives you a good aroma but less heat.
What other cocktails best represent Thainess?
I would say using a lot of Thai ingredients to create a drink like lemongrass, ginger and chili. But Thainess is not just using spices but also seasonal fruits like pink grapefruit juice, pomegranate syrup, mangosteen or even guava. Vasachol Quadri
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